Russ: This is the BusinessMakers Show heard on the radio and seen online at TheBusinessMakers.com. This is Episode Number 367 of that show that features the innovators, the people that really make our lives better.
John: That's right and not only do they make our lives better, they make the economy better because it's these people, chiefly, these people, the people who start companies and create goods and services that people want and need and hire people and innovate. I mean that's what drives the economy.
Russ: Absolutely.
John: Economic growth.
Russ: Absolutely.
John: And it's a –
Russ: Abs- even people at big companies that are growing that are these intrapaneurs that we have on sometimes, they make a –
John: Yeah.
Russ: - an impact, too.
John: That's right. And there's not – we have nothing against big companies. Weren't for big companies, we never would've won World War II or any of these, you know, gotten a man to the moon.
Russ: That's right.
John: Or any of this.
Russ: No, that's right.
John: We like big companies.
Russ: Absolutely.
John: Yeah.
Russ: And then the public sector, they create what I would call kinda like temporary jobs, or –
John: Yeah, temp, yeah; temporary meaningless jobs.
Russ: Yeah, right.
John: A meaningless, temporary job.
Russ: Where we pay –
John: For the most part.
Russ: Yeah.
John: I mean the _____ _____, you got the Marines, I mean you need those guys.
Russ: Yeah.
John: You need someone to deliver the mail.
Russ: Right.
John: You need someone to catch the crooks.
Russ: That's right.
John: So I'm not saying we don't –
Russ: Put out the fires, yeah.
John: - _____ _____ workers. Right but –
Russ: But we've gone overboard.
John: I think we have.
Russ: Yeah, completely.
John: Right.
Russ: All right.
John: You got more people in the wagon, pretty much, than pulling the wagon.
Russ: That's right. That's why it's getting so hard to pull.
John: That's right.
Russ: But speaking of people that pull the wagon, that EO Houston group over there.
John: Oh yeah.
Russ: They've created lots of jobs.
John: Well they build the wagons, too.
Russ: That's right.
John: Not only do they pull the wagon, they build the wagon.
Russ: And they figure out better ways to pull 'em, you know.
John: That's right.
Russ: And build 'em, too. Yeah.
John: Yeah.
Russ: Great group, great group.
John: Great group.
Russ: All right and here's today's lineup. First up, Gaurav Khandelwall, who's been on the show twice before but this time, it's for something new. He's the founder of Start. It's a real estate facility focused as an accelerator, primarily on the mobile app world but in technology in general. It's kind of a cool story. And then that's gonna be followed by another interview from Business Matchmaking 2012 here in Houston, as I sit down with Todd Dennis of HP. And I might also add that today on Women Mean Business, Leisa Holland-Nelson interviews Sheryl Rapp.
John: There you go.
Russ: The founder of Up, telling us a little bit more about Up. That program is really gaining some legs. And then Greg Price is gonna be interviewing Jeff Hall of Microsoft. But first –
Russ: That's right for The BusinessMakers School of Business and I don't know about you, John, but this, to me, is the highlight of every week.
John: I learn something new all the time.
Russ: Yeah, that's right. And yet we're the teachers and we're in here learning.
John: That's right if the teachers can learn stuff then all you out there ought to be learning stuff.
Russ: That's right. Well, I think the way that that works is that like when we see sort of a gap in an idea, in a history story, we fill it in.
John: That's right, we fill the gap. We're gap fillers.
Russ: Yeah, we know – we know what ought to be there.
John: We're like – we're like educational dentists, you know, 'cause if there's a gap in your teeth, you know, a dentist will fill that in.
Russ: That's right, that's right.
John: And if there's a gap in the learning curve out there, we're there to fill that gap.
Russ: That's right and I think, you know, even though there's facts missing sometimes, I think we're pretty good.
John: Well we just make – we're good at making up –
Russ: Facts.
John: - yeah, facts to fill the gaps.
Russ: That's right, that's right. All right.
John: Yeah, we like to alert everyone that, you know, we do occasionally make things up.
Russ: Yeah, yeah.
John: To make these –
Russ: That's right.
John: And we'll – they usually tell you when we're making stuff up.
Russ: But sometimes we forget.
John: Sometimes it's – sometimes it's intuitively obvious we are making it up.
Russ: Yes, that we're making it up.
John: Okay.
Russ: All right and we kick off the School of Business each week with a quote.
John: Yeah, the Quote of the Day.
Russ: Quote of the Day.
John: Yeah.
Russ: And today it comes from Peter Drucker, who has a, you know, a whole stadium full of quotes.
John: Oh man, he's the godfather of, of all great leadership –
Russ: Of quotes. That's right.
John: – advice.
Russ: That's right. This is kinda interesting. It's gonna be – I'm curious as to whether or not you'll agree with it.
John: Uh-huh.
Russ: But it's – here it goes.
John: Who am I to doubt Peter Drucker?
Russ: Well, you might. I've never seen you shy about anybody, but here it goes.
John: All right.
Russ: Marketing and innovation make you money, generates sales, produce profit. Everything else is an expense.
John: That's right.
Russ: Yeah? Yeah.
John: Pretty much.
Russ: Yeah he's – and I think he's emphasizing that marketing and innovation – now I've heard this discussed a lot and some people, instead of marketing, will say sales –
John: Mm-hm, yeah.
Russ: - which, quite frankly, you know, I think marketing is a subset of sales. I know other people who think it's the other way around.
John: Oh yeah. Yeah, marketing and sales –
Russ: Yeah.
John: Marketing is like bringing in the leads.
Russ: Yeah.
John: And sales is closing the leads.
Russ: Yeah.
John: It's pretty much what marketing does.
Russ: Yeah, and one could argue that the salesman can't close 'em if the marketeer doesn't bring 'em in and –
John: Yeah, right.
Russ: And then vice versa, you know –
John: Yeah.
Russ: - but what's so interesting nowadays, particularly with the Web – it seems like marketing has gained in importance so much so that –
John: That they forget about the product.
Russ: Yeah, well that's also so much so that some of the younger people in E-commerce and stuff kind of diss sales –
John: Right.
Russ: - and they shouldn't.
John: 'Cause it –
Russ: No, it takes some talent to do that.
John: Yeah, without sales and marketing, I mean that provides the funding for the people making the product or the services –
Russ: That's right.
John: - and designing it and all that.
Russ: Totally.
John: So it's – but and if those people don't do a good job, then all the great sales and the marketing in the world isn't gonna move your product or services.
Russ: Absolutely.
John: You're just gonna auger in. So it all goes hand-in-hand.
Russ: Absolutely.
John: But he's right about that, about the sales and marketing is revenue –
Russ: Yeah.
John: - and everything else is expense.
Russ: Yeah. Right. All right.
John: Okay.
Russ: And that brings us to This Week in Business History. So what happened during this kinda middle part of June in business history?
John: Well, this week in business history in 1840, Samuel Morse patents the telegraph, which revolutionized communication.
Russ: Absolutely.
John: All over the world.
Russ: Yeah, it's led to the little hand-held devices today.
John: Right and he was, you know, we all talk about the "Aha" moment –
Russ: Right.
John: - you know, what prompted you to start this, get this idea.
Russ: Right.
John: And with Samuel Morse, he was a painter, a portrait painter –
Russ: Wow.
John: - and he was delivering a portrait. Actually he was commissioned to paint a portrait in Washington but in the midst of painting, a horse messenger delivered a letter from his father that read one line, "Your wife is dead," so, you know, he immediately left Washington for his home in New Haven, Connecticut, leaving the portrait of Lafayette –
Russ: Undone?
John: - the Marquis de Lafayette undone. After that, you know, he's bemoaning the fact that, you know, it took so long to get the message to him. He thought there must be a better way to communicate. This week in business history in 1867, the first barbed wire was patented by Lucien B. Smith of Ohio.
Russ: Wow.
John: Still around today.
Russ: Wow, yeah.
John: It's valuable stuff for ranchers and farmers and all that.
Russ: Yeah. Well it was pretty big in World War I, too, wasn't it?
John: And prisons. It's big in prisons, big in wartime.
Russ: Yeah, yeah.
John: Has a multitude of uses.
Russ: That's right.
John: Yeah, it's ____ mainly to keep people from stealing your stuff.
Russ: That's right or from your stuff getting out.
John: Or your stuff getting out –
Russ: Yeah, yeah.
John: - so people could steal it.
Russ: Yeah.
John: Okay. This week in business history in 1893, the first Ferris Wheel premiers –
Russ: Cool.
John: - at the Chicago Columbian Exposition and it was designed by George Washington Gale Ferris, Jr.
Russ: Ferris, wow.
John: And as a landmark for the exposition in Chicago.
Russ: Wow.
John: Right, yeah.
Russ: Now they have giant, you know, Ferris wheels around the world.
John: Oh yeah, in London, at the Eye.
Russ: Yeah, yeah.
John: And there's one here in Houston.
Russ: The new –
John: Right by the freeway. I expect a tractor-trailer to go crashing through the guardrail there.
Russ: You can ride the –
John: Can you imagine riding the Ferris Wheel and some tractor-trailer's coming right at you and you've got your 3-D glasses on? Man, that would scare the heck out of you.
Russ: You could ride the Ferris Wheel on the Thames or on IH-45, take your pick. But the guy that built that one also just finished Paradise Pier –
John: Oh the _____ Pleasure Pier, yeah right, yeah.
Russ: - or Pleasure Pier. It's a big one out in the Gulf of Mexico.
John: Oh man, that's huge.
Russ: Yeah, it is, yeah.
John: Haven't been down there.
Russ: It' really _____ the hurricane's coming in, from what I understand.
John: Oh you've – they probably have a little weather station, they put a weather man at the top.
Russ: Yeah.
John: They pull the Ferris Wheel up when it's not running with regular customers.
Russ: Right, right.
John: They probably look at, "You see any hurricanes?"
Russ: Tell us.
John: All right. Okay, this week in business history in 1938, the Federal Minimum Wage Law guarantees workers 40 cents an hour.
Russ: Well.
John: Way low.
Russ: I know and every time you and I bring this topic up –
John: Yeah.
Russ: - we don't know why –
John: Yeah.
Russ: - they just don't go ahead and make it $200.00, $300.00 an hour –
John: At least.
Russ: - and then everybody'd be rich.
John: Everybody would be rich –
Russ: Yeah.
John: - and full employment, obviously.
Russ: Yeah.
John: Because, you know, a lot of people would want that pay.
Russ: Everybody – they would want jobs.
John: They would want – just be – and if you want a job, that means you ought to get it. You ought to get the job.
Russ: You deserve it.
John: You deserve the job if you want it, right.
Russ: Yeah. So I don't understand –
John: What a great world we live in.
Russ: That's great, okay.
John: This week in business history, 1944 Congress charters the Central Intelligence Agency.
Russ: My oh my, what an important agency, yet controversial, you know.
John: Well yeah, they're spying on people.
Russ: Yeah. Oh, and they kill people.
John: They kill people.
Russ: But I thought when Jimmy Carter was in the White House, they said they couldn't kill people anymore.
John: Yeah, the Church Commission. Yeah.
Russ: Yeah.
John: I think that's pretty much gone by the way-
Russ: They just forgot about that.
John: Hey look, when you got a bunch of terrorist driving, flying airplanes and they're killing 3,000 people –
Russ: That changes the rules.
John: - that kinda changes the rules.
Russ: Well I – President Obama, you know, it's controversial what he did with the drones.
John: Well he, he's kind of a – he's like a – you know, when you're a little kid and you get on the airplane and you get your little wings?
Russ: Yeah.
John: You know? Well I think Obama is kinda like that.
Russ: Yeah.
John: Now he's an official member of the Secret Service Club.
Russ: Yes he is.
John: You know, 'cause he's out, 'cause he actually, at night when nobody's looking, he picks people who he thinks we should wipe out –
Russ: I know. I know.
John: - and kill. He looks at, he puts the kill list out.
Russ: I know.
John: Yeah, yeah.
Russ: And the New York Times told us all. Now what do you think of that? You know I mean, historically, that's been sort of against the law, too. A president can't just go assassinate people.
John: Yeah.
Russ: Now the interesting thing –
John: Yeah, Kennedy got a lot of grief when people learned that he tried to assassinate Castro.
Russ: Right.
John: I mean look what –
Russ: And what I think the Obama Administration relies upon is what the W Administration said, "Look, this is a war."
John: Yeah, it's a war we're in, now.
Russ: And that's why they kept imprisoning those guys down in Cuba –
John: Yeah, uh-huh.
Russ: - and giving them a little waterboard exercise which paid off, then our Attorney General Holder, said, "Well, that's not how we do it in Amer- we can't torture those people."
John: Yeah –
Russ: So we'll just kill 'em.
John: Well – that's right.
Russ: So. Now, that's the lay of the land. I think I'm okay with it.
John: Well it's okay to kill 'em but it's better to capture them and interrogate them. And that's why I think they're preferring the Predator drone strikes because if they start incarcerating these guys, then you're gonna get all these public interest groups –
Russ: Well they'll wanna try 'em in New York and stuff.
John: Try 'em in New York and, you know they –
Russ: Do a trial by jury –
John: - give 'em better facilities.
Russ: Right.
John: You know and all that kinda thing. So in order to avoid all that, they're just wiping them out, one by one.
Russ: Yeah.
John: But it's better to capture these people.
Russ: Well –
John: And to inter- that's how we got Osama Bin Laden.
Russ: Yeah.
John: I mean we interrogated that Khalid She- Khalil Mohammed guy.
Russ: Yeah, Khalil.
John: He eventually talked.
Russ: Yes.
John: You know, so –
Russ: No, I agree and that's the way we've, historically, done it, but this is a little bit different. It's fairly efficient. It will become a problem, though, if Obama starts killing people in the United States.
John: I know.
Russ: I mean that's when the ACLU ought to step in.
John: Yeah, well I think they're a little late. I don't know what I meant by that. Okay. Okay, this week in business history in 1963, the Beatles formed the Beatles, Ltd., to handle their income.
Russ: Well that's because they had like a 98 percent tax rate over there.
John: Yeah, right, so they got the – so the corporate tax must've been lower.
Russ: Well, yeah. Well must've but boy, they were just brutal over there. It was like, "Wow, if you make this much money, you don't need it.
John: Well I do – yeah.
Russ: We need it."
John: Yeah, right.
Russ: Give it to us.
John: Give it to us. So –
Russ: Yeah, all right.
John: A lot of them moved over to the US.
Russ: Yeah, they sure did.
John: Yeah. This week in business history in 1963, Kennedy visits West Berlin and gives that ich bin ein Berliner, I am a Berliner speech, which also, if you – I looked up the word "Berliner," 'cause I also heard that that also means "I am a jelly donut," or something like that.
Russ: Really?
John: Yeah, so I looked it up – and if you use the word "Berliner," in certain contexts –
Russ: Yeah?
John: - it does mean jelly donut.
Russ: But other times it means that you're from Berlin?
John: Yeah, right, yeah.
Russ: Okay.
John: He used it properly, by the way. He did not say, "I am a jelly donut."
Russ: But what –
John: But he did – if he used the word Berliner in a different way with different words preceding it –
Russ: Yeah, okay.
John: Yeah.
Russ: But what did that mean? He's not from Berlin, from Boston.
John: Just spend a couple weeks with –
Russ: ____ _____. Yeah, you know where you're from.
John: Ooh, okay. This week in business history in 1967, the Monterey Pop Festival begins. I know, it was a big festival.
Russ: Well it was the –
John: Jimi Hendrix and all of that –
Russ: Yeah, it was the precursor to Woodstock and a lot of people say that's where Janis Joplin was discovered.
John: Oh really?
Russ: Yeah and it's where we all knew that Jimi Hendrix then could put lighter fluid on his guitar and set it on fire.
John: Yeah.
Russ: I mean I wasn't there –
John: Yeah.
Russ: - but I saw the movie.
John: Most people who were there can't tell you they were there.
Russ: That's right.
John: Yeah.
Russ: But I did, I saw the movie.
John: Oh really? I didn't see it.
Russ: It's still available.
John: Yeah, is that when he did the "Star Spangled Banner," personal and –
Russ: No, that was at Woodstock.
John: Okay, good. This week in business history in 1969, 150,000 people attend Newport '69.
Russ: Wow.
John: Another rock festival. Jimi Hendrix gets $120,000.00 to appear. Now back then, $120,000.00 –
Russ: Oh it's huge.
John: - was a couple million bucks like right now.
Russ: Yeah, now it's – but even now, a couple million bucks is probably chump change.
John: I know it's a rounding error.
Russ: Sometimes these guys now negotiate a percentage of the gate in excess of 100 percent.
John: That's right, yeah.
Russ: Yeah.
John: Okay, this week in business history in 1970, President Nixon signs the 26th Amendment which lowered the voting age to 18, which is a good move.
Russ: Ah, probably.
John: Yeah, I think so, although those people don't vote very often.
Russ: Well, yeah.
John: But at least they have the, they have the choice –
Russ: Yeah, that's right.
John: - that they didn't have before.
Russ: That's right.
John: Okay, this week in business history in 1977, oil enters Trans Alaska Pipeline and exits 38 days later at Valdez.
Russ: Why did it take it so long?
John: Well, it's oil and it goes all the way across a country.
Russ: Yeah.
John: You know, it's a big – that pipeline has to traverse a lot of area.
Russ: No, I understand. I understand, but you know, there was some opposition to it.
John: Yeah, a lot of opposition to it.
Russ: There would be more opposition to build such a pipeline today.
John: Well –
Russ: Except, you know, when the price of gasoline goes up –
John: Yeah.
Russ: - and free enterprise and capitalism and our freedom comes into play, people say, "Build a pipeline. Let's go."
John: Yeah, but the caribou like the pipeline –
Russ: I know.
John: - because it can – it's warmer around the pipeline. You know, it's good for the environment.
Russ: Yeah. That's great.
John: All right, this week in business history in 1994, following a televised low-speed highway chase, OJ Simpson is arrested for the murders of his wife, Nicole Brown-Simpson and her friend, Ronald Goldman.
Russ: Wow, I remember it.
John: Oh man.
Russ: That's after he'd cut her head off, essentially –
John: Yeah.
Russ: -and the low-speed chase took place –
John: Yeah.
Russ: - during the NBA playoffs when the Houston Rockets were playing the New York Knicks.
John: And they cut into the –
Russ: And it was like a split-screen part of the time.
John: Oh wow.
Russ: It goes like to the right – and this is before big screen TVs, too.
John: Yeah.
Russ: So it really kinda messed up the playoffs.
John: Did any of the basketball – this is from the telecast – dribble onto the highway?
Russ: Yeah, no. No, but there were a lot of players that were looking up on the big screen and where is it in New York did they play.
John: Yeah. Yeah, at Madison Square Garden.
Russ: At Madison Square Garden –
John: Oh yeah, right.
Russ: - were watching the chase instead of the game. It really messed things up.
John: Well yeah, there's a new book that came out recently where the author thinks that Simpson is covering for his son.
Russ: Who really killed her?
John: Who really killed her, yeah.
Russ: I don't think that's true.
John: Well, you don't know.
Russ: Yeah.
John: I'm just ________ –
Russ: I don't – I think –
John: You know, I'm just bringing it up.
Russ: I think I do know.
John: Who, who –
Russ: I think he did it.
John: Oh, okay.
Russ: Yeah.
John: He probably did. Yeah. Okay. This week in business history in 2004, Spaceship One becomes the first privately-funded space plane to achieve space flight.
Russ: Yeah, cool.
John: Now an independent free enterprise spaceship went up there and docked with the – at an actual space station.
Russ: That's right. You know, we're –
John: Which is the international space station that docked with or –
Russ: Yes, yeah.
John: Yeah, just like last week or two weeks ago.
Russ: With that dragon capsule and it was impressive and it is – that's the way it should go.
John: That's right, yeah.
Russ: I didn't like the fact that they were stopping the shuttle but I have to admit, if free enterprise –
John: Yeah.
Russ: - if anybody can do it, free enterprise can do it and –
John: That's right, yeah.
Russ: - and that would be cool.
John: Mm-hm, no that's what's going on now.
Russ: That's right.
John: This week in business history in 1977, Oracle Corporation is incorporated in Redwood Shores, California and Software Development Laboratories by Larry Ellison, Bob Miner, and Ed Oates. Now look at 'em.
Russ: They've done all right.
John: They're doin' okay, yeah.
Russ: Yeah, they are really interesting. All right, and that wraps it up today?
John: Yeah, man.
Russ: Wow. What a lesson.
John: Well it took a long time to get through this.
Russ: Well I know.
John: 'Cause we –
Russ: We got into the Morse Code forever.
John: And the ich bin ein Berliner thing and –
Russ: Yeah, why the hell did he think he was a Berliner? And that was a mess.
John: Yeah, that was.
Russ: So anyway. It was great lesson.
John: Yeah.
Russ: And that brings us to Navigating Business Jargon.
John: All right, okay.
Russ: Our vocabulary lesson.
John: Yeah, where you do everything –
Russ: ____ _____ have the rules. We went so far long in the history lesson, we're just gonna go right to it.
John: Okay.
Russ: You ready?
John: You bet. I'm ready.
Russ: Beertyping.
John: Beer.
Russ: It's one word, Beertyping.
John: Beertyping.
Russ: It's important that you understand it's one word –
John: Right.
Russ: - 'cause it doesn't have anything to do with a keyboard.
John: Right, okay.
Russ: Beertyping.
John: Beertyping is when you're drinking a beer while you're typing.
Russ: No, I just said it didn't have anything to do with typing.
John: Oh, okay then.
Russ: It's one word.
John: Okay, it's – you evaluate people based on the beer they drink.
Russ: Hold your calls, ladies and gentleman. We have a winner.
John: Okay.
Russ: That's actually right.
John: Okay.
Russ: And that's become much more important since there's so many different types of beer nowadays.
John: That's right, so if someone's drinking a Miller Lite, you think oh, he's one type of person.
Russ: A wimp, a wimp.
John: Or if you're drinking –
Russ: Shiner Bock.
John: - yeah, Shiner Bock.
Russ: He's a macho.
John: He's macho or –
Russ: Or Dos Equis –
John: The most interesting man in the world. Yes.
Russ: So – and used to, there were only like four types of people, Budweiser people –
John: Yeah.
Russ: - Schlitz people, and Falstaff. Today there's hundreds of types of people.
John: All these little microbrews.
Russ: Absolutely.
John: Yeah, springing up all over the place.
Russ: Absolutely.
John: Okay.
Russ: All right and that brings us to Dumb Moments in Business. Do you have one to share with us?
John: Okay. Yeah, we all know Bank of America's had, you know, a pretty rough time of it.
Russ: Real rough.
John: Over – yeah, they got hit pretty hard –
Russ: And they bought a company that had a rougher time.
John: - in the subprime.
Russ: - when Countrywide got –
John: Yeah, Countrywide and then they've – Merrill Lynch and that got 'em in Dutch and –
Russ: They were like a magnet for –
John: Then the robo-signatures on the re-fis and –
Russ: A problem magnet over there.
John: A problem magnet. Well here's another problem right now.
Russ: All right.
John: I don't know how the shareholders' will react to this. I just heard about this today or actually three days ago but Bank of America has pledged $50 billion to combat climate change. All right now –
Russ: Bank of America?
John: Bank of America and I don't wanna go into the details here. You can just go onto their website and you get to their press release room.
Russ: And maybe get some of the money, if you got an idea.
John: And read all about it. Yeah, right, if you got an idea. Now the thing is, you know, we're all concerned about the environment. Nobody wants to deliberately defile the earth –
Russ: Right.
John: - or where we live or anything but there's a big controversy on whether there's manmade climate change.
Russ: Right, there is.
John: And what's causing climate change, if in fact there is climate change.
Russ: Right.
John: It could be natural rotation of the earth around the sun or something.
Russ: Yeah. Yeah.
John: Something very simple to explain but for Bank of America to pledge $50 billion to combat climate change is rather –
Russ: It's a little irresponsible.
John: I would say that is and –
Russ: Yeah.
John: - I checked the most recent Gallup poll and most Americans still prioritize the economic growth over the environment as far as, you know, what their chief concern is.
Russ: Yeah, right.
John: So I think what Bank of America should've done is pledge $50 billion to the American Enterprise Institute or to give some – $50 billion to loan to some businesses to get 'em started or what have you.
Russ: I agree.
John: But combat climate change.
Russ: I agree.
John: Yeah.
Russ: You know, one other thing on climate change. Let's say that it is proven that – let's say it's proven that burning fossil fuels causes climate change.
John: Yeah.
Russ: You still can't stop it immediately.
John: Yeah.
Russ: I mean if you do, the economy just – I mean everybody needs to have ____.
John: That's right.
Russ: 'Cause people don't understand how much our food supply –
John: Yeah.
Russ: - comes from burning fossil fuels. At some point in time, to travel it around, to process it, to –
John: Those tractors that plant the seeds in the ground. What do you think keeps them things going? You know?
Russ: I mean, the fact that we all choose to live in cities nowadays means that it's all coming in here –
John: Right.
Russ: And it's coming in here with fossil – I mean, so if it's a problem, boy it's a huge problem.
John: A huge problem.
Russ: Yeah.
John: Yeah, somebody –
Russ: So the only solution is save the planet, kill yourself.
John: Kill yourself. Right.
Russ: Yeah.
John: Oh yeah.
Russ: All right, before we wrap up today's School of Business, it's time for the very popular PKF Texas Entrepreneur's Playbook. Today, Greg has Jeff Hall with Microsoft.
John: Oh yeah.
Russ: And here he is.
John: He's got a great story to tell.
Russ: All right, and that wraps up today's School of Business. Stay tuned in for our featured guests, Gaurav Khandelwall, now founder of Start and Todd Dennis with Hewlett-Packard. This is the BusinessMakers Show heard on the radio and seen online at TheBusinessMakers.com.
