Russ: This is the BusinessMakers Show, heard on the radio and seen online at thebusinessmakers.com, the show that champions the make-it-happen entrepreneurs.
John: That's right, Russ. Week after week, for many, many years, we've been featuring the people who really make the economy go and grow, people who bring innovation, products to people, and a lot of these are new and innovative products. So it's a very good combination of intestinal fortitude and creativity.
Russ: Yeah. They create jobs. They create taxpayers, expanding the tax base is a pretty cool thing, and there's -
John: Yeah. Well, I say the heck with expanding the tax base.
Russ: Yeah, just raise the taxes. [Laughs]
John: No, no. I'm thinking what good is sending all this money whether it's the state government or the federal government, a city government. They're just gonna spend it.
Russ: Oh, I know. I know. No, they're gonna spend more.
John: When's the last time you ever got a government check on anything?
Russ: I don't even know that I ever got one.
John: How do you know? You don't even know there are government _____.
Russ: I know. I know. [Laughs]
John: I know.
Russ: I digress. But people know what side that we're on, for sure.
John: Yeah, right. I think they do.
Russ: Yeah, all right.
John: All right.
Russ: And here is our lineup for today. Now this is pretty cool. This is highlights, American innovation once again, and solves huge problems, but for some reason, is not real popular yet, and the topic I'm talking about is NGV, Natural Gas Vehicles. And this is where CNG -
John: Now that's - now you're getting somewhere.
Russ: I know, man.
John: These electric - I mean the battery hasn't been any improvements in 2,000 - 100 years or so, but the engine technology for gas-power vehicles already exists.
Russ: Oh, yeah, absolutely.
John: It works just fine.
Russ: Absolutely. We're talking about where CNG, that's compressed natural gas, meets the road, man. That's what this guest is all about. Her name is Jean Durdin, and this kind of cool, too. She's owner of Parkway Chevrolet.
John: Parkway Chevrolet.
Russ: - in Tomball. But she is leading the charge in converting vehicles, not just Chevrolets, but all American gasoline cars, almost all. There's EPA gets involved, of course, and the railroad commission, and there's some you can't do, but converting 'em to compressed natural gas vehicles.
John: Right. And where do you gas 'em up?
Russ: Well, that's a good question, and that's the challenge, but the infrastructure - we're gonna talk about that.
John: You could probably go to a Lowe's or Home Depot. They got those cans -
Russ: No, those are propane. But listen to this.
John: Propane doesn't work?
Russ: No. Well, you can get a propane vehicle, but these are natural gas. Now you have natural gas in your home, I suspect.
John: Oh, we all do.
Russ: Yeah, and you can get it there. Now it takes a compression system that you have to put in your garage, and they're not cheap yet, but that's the direction they're going. That's what intrigued me about this. We did have on the show like a year and a half ago the EV Go guys.
John: The EV Go.
Russ: Yeah, and that's the electrical, and what kind of stimulated the advantage of having home fuelling was those guys, 'cause they have a home charging station, but it's still an electric vehicle.
John: Well, no, they're coal and nuclear power.
Russ: Coal-powered, mostly coal.
John: Yeah, they're coal or nuclear powered or some oil
Russ: And then so we have coal and then -
John: Of course, that's what we were saying there 'cause that's what's generates the electrify that goes in the car.
Russ: For the battery.
John: Yeah, right.
Russ: And the batteries are all - most the batteries these days, the most important element were I think having to import from enemies as well, too. It's just - but compressed natural gas, no, it's right here in the United States.
John: Yeah, it know. That's the beauty of it. And the engine technology exists. It's not like they have to start from scratch. They just kinda have to adapt existing technologies for passenger vehicles.
Russ: Well, my research from my interview -
John: Your research.
Russ: - Jean Durdin, the owner of Parkway Chevrolet, is that a lot of these conversion vehicles are bi-fuel. It's no big deal to take a gasoline-powered engine, and add onto it compressed natural gas. So you can go back and forth.
John: Oh, you can?
Russ: So if you got out in the middle of West Texas an couldn't find a CNG station, and you weren't close to home where you could fill it up, you could put gasoline in it and keep going.
John: Wow. Okay.
Russ: Now, I wanna start talking this more. Listen to this. This stuff is plentiful in the United States.
John: It's like water. It's everywhere.
Russ: It's everywhere. Now the innovation with horizontal drilling and fracturing have made it available. It's in expensive. In preparing for this interview, Jean Durdin tells me she fills hers up at home, and she is paying at home through her -
John: It's so cheap.
Russ: It's 80 cents an equivalent gallon. So she can go as far in 81 cents, and it's 97 percent octane, as you can I go on $3.50, or whatever it's selling for today. And -
John: That's not all.
Russ: That's not all. It's clean.
John: I know, right?
Russ: Much cleaner. We are at a 20-year low in C02 emission -
John: Just because of this. Mainly because of this.
Russ: Well, because of the natural gas, right. And it's powering everything - power stations.
John: Power stations and - yeah, right.
Russ: We should call for a national celebration and applaud the oil and gas developers who figured out how to get this stuff out, and we're gonna applaud and honor one that converts it to vehicles today.
John: Yeah, all because of all that fracking technology.
Russ: That's right. Did I tell you anything about our guest today?
John: Yeah. She owns Parkway Chevrolet.
Russ: That's right.
John: It's somewhere in there as a -
Russ: That's right, Jean Durdin. All right.
John: Sorry, Jean.
Russ: But first. That's' right. It's time for the BusinessMakers School of Business. And this is our passion week in, week out, to go put together a curriculum that we think helps businesspeople know what -
John: No, we think. We know. This is a ground-level type of education that if you - and if you're listening to this on the radio, you're just getting a partial curriculum, but this can really prepare you for whatever is out there on the street that you're gonna run int.
Russ: Absolutely. That's where we get it, off the street.
John: That's right. We comb the dumpsters and garbage cans around Houston. You'd be surprised what you find in those places. That's where we get our information.
Russ: Then we go to our little set of the World Book Encyclopedia and look up -
John: Right, which is only accurate up to the year 1975. After that, we're on our own 'cause we all know if it's on the Internet, it's gotta be true, right?
Russ: That's right, absolutely. But we kick off the School of Business each week with a quote of the day.
John: Quote of the day.
Russ: And this one kind of hitchhikes off of our vocabulary lesson that we also have, which is navigating business jargon.
John: I think it got it right last week, too.
Russ: I think you did. But here it is. The difference between the right word and the almost right word, is the difference between lightening and a lightening bug.
John: That's right.
Russ: That's a Mark Twain quote.
John: That's pretty good. You gotta be careful, your use the English language.
Russ: That's right. All right.
John: And one of my favorite quote is be care of reading health advice columns or books or whatever, because you could die of a misprint.
Russ: All right. And that bring us to This Week in Business History, what happened this third week in December in business history.
John: In December. Okay, this week in business history in 1620, the Mayflower comes ashore with pilgrims in Plymouth Harbor.
Russ: Wow. I bet they were ready to come ashore, too.
John: Right. It was cold out there. They came here from England to escape political and religious oppression, and so they came here to start a new life. They had a really bad winter after they got here. Killed about half the people who were here, but they got to be friends with the Indians who there, Native Americans, if you wanna call 'em that. And their Chief Massasoit, was - and there's a statue of Massasoit - I was there this summer as a matter of fact. The rock is still there, and as you can tell, it's stuck. They built a very prosperous colony which later was incorporated in to the Massachusetts Bay Association, so it started as an independent colony and then merged into another organization.
Russ: Okay. And how large is the rock?
John: Oh, I'd say it's about the size of smart car.
Russ: A smart car. All right.
John: Yeah. You've seen the smart cars. It's about the size of smart car.
Russ: A smart cart. That's an interesting comparison.
John: Well, it's not as a big as -
Russ: No, it's good.
John: 'Cause you people go there thinking it's this huge -
Russ: Yeah, it's not.
John: It's not like the Rock of Gibraltar or Mount Rushmore.
John: It's about the size of a smart car.
Russ: All right. Interesting.
John: Okay. This week in business history, in 1773, the Boston Tea Party is held in Boston Harbor. Colonists disguised as Mohawk Indians, boarded some ships and dumped all the tea into the harbor. What prompted all this was the East India Company, which is a British-held monopoly pretty much, they lowered or eliminated the tea tax which brought the price down, and undercut the existing tea companies, many of which were based in the colonies. And the colonists went into an uproar because they didn't want the British cornering the tea market.
Russ: Right. They were protesting a tax.
John: Tax cut, yeah. Yeah, right.
Russ: We don't have to do that anymore, 'cause nothing's ever cut.
Russ: Nothing's ever - well, occasionally a smart president will come in and do that.
Russ: Interesting. Okay. Well, it's interesting about the Mayflower landed and the Boston tea party both happened this week in that part of the world.
John: Oh, yeah. And it's -
Russ: Although, they were like 150 years apart, though, right?
John: Who was 150 years apart?
Russ: Well the landing of the Mayflower and the tea party, yeah.
John: Oh, there's two occurrences, yeah, right.
Russ: Didn't mean to throw you off.
John: That's okay. I'm sure there were some relatives maybe of the Plymouth Rock people - the Mayflower who participated in the riot.
Russ: The tea party, yeah.
John: All right, this week in business history in 1820, Missouri, the state of Missouri opposes a $1.00 bachelor tax on unmarried men between 21 and 50. So if you're 20 or 51, you escape the tax.
Russ: Yeah. They were doing it to raise money, or to encourage marriage?
John: Probably a little bit of both. And there's still unmarried men in Missouri, so I don't think it reached its intended purpose.
Russ: I wonder if it's - but it's interesting that you say it way. Today, if there was two unmarried men, in Missouri, they might be able to marry each other.
John: Well, yeah.
Russ: And avoid the tax.
John: Avoid the tax. You have in one fell swoop -
Russ: You lost $2.00.
John: Yeah, but you're right, it's interesting, or three men could marry together.
Russ: Right. They probably could. I don't know what their consenting.
John: Yeah, but I'm just saying if you wanted to dodge the taxes, you just get married.
Russ: There you go.
John: And then you got another set of problems.
Russ: Yes, you do. Bigger than -
John: If you get married just to avoid $1.00 tax, you got bigger problems than you think you have. All right. Okay, this week in business history, Samuel Clemens, also known as Mark Twain, patents elastic suspenders.
Russ: In what year was that?
John: In 1871.
John: His first invention was an improvement - this is a quote from the patent registration, I guess, "Improvement in adjustable and detachable garment straps used for vests, pantaloons, and other garments."
Russ: Wow. So maybe they already had a patent -
John: Well, they straps that would hold your pants up, but they weren't elastic.
Russ: That's right. You gotta patent that stuff when you improve on it.
John: That's right. Okay. This week in business history, 1922, 14 republics form the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. Now the way it's worded, I gotta tell you, it sounded like they voluntarily joined.
Russ: "Let's get together and make -"
John: Yeah. I don't think they had much say in the matter, maybe a couple of 'em did. But I would say the general population probably did not wanna go along with it, or at least most of the people. This week in business history in 1944, band leader, Major Glenn Miller - he was a commissioned officer - lost over the English Channel. Nobody ever knew what happened to him.
Russ: Now I've heard speculation over the years that it was friendly fire that -
John: Coulda been friendly fire, or -
Russ: There's a lotta friendly fire in all -
John: Coulda been an irate fan, a stalker.
Russ: But my connection to Glenn Miller is my parents always listened to his music.
John: Yeah, I like his music. I still like his -
Russ: Yeah, I do, too. And I saw - I was probably eight years old when I saw the movie, The Glenn Miller Story.
John: Yeah, with Jimmy Stewart.
Russ: Jimmy Stewart played Glenn Miller. It's a great movie.
John: It was a great movie and -
Russ: It was sad, though.
John: June Allyson is in it, and she's waiting for him to come back from wherever he was, and -
Russ: And he never came back.
John: - he never came back. This week in business history in 1967, the Astrodome opens. They called it one of the wonders of the world. Now it's a dilapidated hulk, which we're still paying on. The bonds aren't paid off there. So, anyway, the first event is Judy Garland and The Supremes joined together for a night of entertainment.
Russ: But what an incredible edifice it was -
John: Oh, yeah. It was quite an engineering feat.
Russ: There's nothing like it.
John: But one of the big mistakes they made is they thought they could grow grass in if it they made panels and -
Russ: Kinda translucent -
John: Translucent enough to let the sunlight in, but it never worked.
Russ: Yeah, didn't work. But for a while then, they painted the dirt green.
John: Yeah, they did, yeah.
Russ: Helped out a lot.
John: Then they - then Astroturf
Russ: Invented Astroturf.
John: Invented Astroturf.
Russ: Well, another Astrodome story I think is real cool, one of our guests of six months ago, Beth Williams, the founder of TTI, all connected to NASA and stuff -
John: She was a water-skier at the some famous resort in Lakeland, Florida.
Russ: That's right. But when she came here, it was the early '60 to marry an astronaut, and she came here from San Francisco eventually, and said, "My God." She wasn't sure what kind of place she'd come to, but got pretty excited after a while because the people in the neighborhood were always talking about going to the moon, and they weren't talking about that in San Francisco, I don't think. And then she'd come -
John: Although there were individuals who thought they could personally fly to the moon, yes.
Russ: And there was people that were mooning each other.
John: Yeah, right.
Russ: But not -
John: Then you had a Governor Moonbeam. There was a lotta moon-like connections in California
Russ: But she was - also, she would drive into Houston from down there once a week just to see the progress on the Astrodome, and was just totally infatuated with this idea. The first time I ever walked into it, it was almost overwhelming.
John: I heard she was actually a member of the construction crew.
Russ: She probably did, knowing her. She said, "Can I work on this thing?"
John: Yeah, right. She carried those plastic panels around on her back.
Russ: That's right.
John: All right. Okay. This week in business history in 1967, The Graduate, the movie, The Graduate, starring Dustin Hoffman and Anne Bancroft, and there was a bit part there of Richard Dreyfuss had a little bit part in that movie, and it's - it got him started on his road to show business.
John: But, anyway, very famous movie. It was very - a lotta kids in college, including I. I musta saw it -
Russ: Yeah, me, too.
John: - many times, and wondering what my future is gonna be like.
Russ: Well, I was so clueless.
John: Of course, if I woulda had some older woman like Anne Bancroft wanting to -
Russ: You would have known what to do.
John: I would have known a little bit, I think.
Russ: I was so clueless at the time, but my sister, my older sister who led me through life for the first 50 years or so, said, "You really oughta go see that. That's really good," so I went.
John: Good movie, yeah.
Russ: I finally said, "Oh, this is about people that are where I'm gonna be in about two years."
John: Yeah, it's a good movie.
Russ: Yeah, it's great.
John: Very good. And Simon & Garfunkel wrote the soundtrack.
John: This week in business history, David Crosby, Stephen Stills, and Graham Nash premier together in California.
Russ: And what year was that?
John: It was 1968.
Russ: The year I graduated from high school.
John: That's right. Well, I was -
Russ: Already in college, right?
John: Yeah, freshman. You graduated from college?
Russ: No, I graduated from high school in 1968.
John: In '68. Yeah, okay.
Russ: High school in '68.
John: Yeah, I graduated in '66.
Russ: Oh, you're two years -
John: I'm two years ahead of you, right. Yeah.
Russ: Did you ever graduate from college?
John: Yes, I did.
John: Did you?
Russ: Yes, I did.
John: Okay, all right. Good. All right. When I first came to Houston, the publisher of the Houston Business Journal, the guy who preceded me had lied on his resume.
Russ: Oh, wow. That's how you got the job?
John: No, no. They just - we had bought their paper and they wanted me to come down here. But anyway, it's an interesting story. I'll share it with you someday.
Russ: All right.
John: Okay. This week in business history in 1998, President Bill Clinton is impeached. Now some people out there probably think being impeached means removal from office.
Russ: Yeah, some do.
John: But it's not. Impeachment is actually an indictment, and the House of Representatives serves up the indictment and the Senate is like the jury. They find the person guilty or not guilty. But after 14 hours of debate, the House of Representatives approved two articles of impeachment against Clinton, charging him lying under oath to a federal grand jury, and obstructing justice. Caused him to lose his law license for a while and a few other things bad happened to him, but he managed to stay in office 'cause the Senate refused to convict him.
Okay. This week in business in 2003, SpaceShipOne, Flight 11P, piloted by Brian Binnie makes its first supersonic flight in a commercial aviation in the airplane.
Russ: And then became the first one to go to space and come back I think twice, which was the -
John: But, really, he just kinda went out of the atmosphere a little bit. He didn't orbit the Earth or go to the moon or -
Russ: No, which is -
John: - or explored where no man has gone before, like Star Trek.
Russ: No, no. In fact, I was recently, speaking of Beth Williams, visiting with her and you just hang around her and you never know who's gonna show up.
John: That's right.
Russ: They know her, and there were several major our age, older, former astronauts around, and I started talking about the stuff about it's pretty cool, maybe, though, that we're commercializing space flight.
John: That's right, uh-huh.
Russ: And they kinda went, "You know, we're not really doing that." And I said, "Well, what do you mean?" He said, "Well, all that's changed is that the government doesn't do it anymore. We deferred it to these private companies, but it's the government that's paying 'em." So the government's still spending money. And he said since these companies don't have the history that we had here in at NASA, they're creating technology that we created 30 or 40 years ago.
John: Oh, really?
John: So what's the big deal?
Russ: Well, the big deal is that in their mind is that -
John: In whose mind?
Russ: These former NASA astronauts, is that we've really slowed down -
John: Well, we don't need an astronaut to tell you that.
Russ: That's true.
John: We're hitching on rides on Russian spacecraft.
Russ: That's all you need to know now.
John: That's all you need to know. We were trying to beat the Russians, man. They were our sworn rival, competitor, and enemy. And now we're hitchhiking with 'em. It's tough.
Russ: And then their technology isn't quite what ours was, either.
John: I know.
Russ: The reentry I heard has got a new feel to it.
John: Yeah, actually, it's like a giant slingshot.
Russ: That's right.
John: All right, this week in business history in 2010, Mohammad Bu Azizi sets himself on fire. Now he's in Tunisia and he's protesting something over there, and nobody really understood why he did it, I don't think. But it sparked what they called the Arab Spring.
Russ: Coulda been just a domestic problem at home.
John: He coulda had a fight with his wife.
Russ: Said, "I'll show her."
John: He says, "I'll - you really burn me up."
Russ: We shouldn't make fun of stuff like that, but we do here at home.
John: We do. And look what happened. That whole area of the world, I mean, it was never really a tidy place anyway. Now it's just a completely wreck.
Russ: Well, there is some humor in this stuff on how we've always thought that democracy and elections fixes everything. And that's appearing not to be the case.
John: Well, see, revolutions are kinda tricky things, 'cause you had the American revolution where the founding fathers had a basis from which they wanted to - where they thought the country should be. It was a sound basis, based on Judeo Christian law, and other things. And so after the revolution, it was just quite violent, just like any revolutions, but things calmed down pretty much and they set the country -
Russ: Well, and -
John: Now, on the other hand, around the same time in France, you had the French Revolution, and there was no standard. There was no -
Russ: There were no founding fathers.
John: There were no real founding fathers. It was just a mob. And so just 'cause you have a revolution, that's not necessarily a good thing. It's what you have set up. Now like the communists had a - they had a revolution in Russia, the provisional government under Kerensky took over, but the communists were - they had a straight structure.
Russ: They had a plan.
John: They had a plan, and al-Qaeda has a plan. Anyway, we can go on and on and on, but I'm just saying it.
Russ: All right. Well, I wish _____, but I got this feeling that that's the end of today's history lesson.
John: I'm glad it is. Yeah.
Russ: No, I was -
John: No, it is. I think we covered a lotta things and -
Russ: We don't just talk about happy stories.
John: No, we talk about things that were are troubling.
Russ: Yeah. And, although, sometimes there's happy stuff in there. Was there any this time?
John: No. But this time next year, we'll be talking about the fiscal cliff probably.
Russ: Yes, we probably will. All right.
John: That's one of the things we'll know then whether the solution was a good solution or a bad solution.
Russ: Yeah, we will.
Russ: Are you willing to take bets on it right now?
John: I'm not really a betting man, but my thoughts are no matter what they come up with as an agreement, it's not gonna be enough.
Russ: That's probably true. Well, I think that the only part that they seem to miss is the spending part. They've been missing that for several decades.
John: The only way you really come out of a economic tailspin or an economic -
John: Or whatever, is you gotta grow your way out of it. And the only way you grow your way out of it, is you have to improve your top line. And in this case, it's getting the economy going, and you can't have a five-year planner in Washington trying to run things. Capitalism and free enterprise, it's kind of a messy thing. Some people call it creative destruction because not everybody's gonna make it.
Russ: That's the way it works. Hopefully, hopefully, they're listening to us right now.
John: And one other thing I wanna bring up. They say, "Well, y'all got all these rich people. The right one percent, okay? They don't deserve it," and this other. But I gotta say it doesn't matter what economic system your country runs under, someone's gonna get rich over it. Now who you were rather have get rich, the people who are the master planners in Washington, or would you rather have people who actually -
John: - innovators.
Russ: I vote innovators.
John: Yeah. Okay.
Russ: All right. All right. That brings us to a navigating -
John: We're almost into tomorrow.
Russ: I know. And this I our vocabulary lesson.
John: My goodness. We're only halfway through.
Russ: Where we choose words - I choose words. We don't choose words.
John: Yeah, or you make 'em up.
Russ: Yeah, I can make 'em up.
John: And I guess the meaning.
Russ: He has to. That's just the way this works.
John: And that's no jive. I have no idea what the word or phrase or acronym is or whatever.
Russ: Right, okay. You ready?
John: I better be.
Russ: Today's noun is "prebituary."
John: An "obituary" is something that's written about you and published when somebody dies. A prebituary is when they write it before you die.
Russ: Well, we got a winner. Hold your calls, ladies and gentlemen. That's right. And there's like a secondary meaning, too, it's a prediction of failure, particularly of a political candidate. Like we were just giving a prebituary to the fiscal cliff, I guess.
John: Yeah, but I was close enough.
Russ: Yeah. I'm not taking it away from you.
John: That's two weeks in a row, baby.
Russ: Yeah, that's impressive. All right. Okay. All right, and that brings us to Dumb Moments. I don't suppose there have been any in the news this week.
John: Well, this is gonna take a little longer to get there - to get to it than normal.
Russ: We haven't been doing anything efficiently today.
John: I know. Why should we start now? Okay, as we all know, the Michigan Legislature did an amazing thing in that what they did is the passed a Right to Work legislation limiting the power of labor unions.
Russ: Yeah, they can't charge non members dues.
John: Yeah. Right. You don't have to belong to a labor union to get a job in Michigan. And that applies not only to the private sector workforce, but the public sector.
Russ: That's good.
John: Now, in protest, a bunch of teachers decided to call in sick the day that the vote happened, okay? And at least 26,000 children had to miss school. Right, okay. And you might think that's a bad thing. This was, by the way, my sources on all this is the Michigan Capital Confidential, the Washington Post, and CNS Conservative News Service.
Russ: So you went to three sources.
John: This is a pastiche.
Russ: It's kind of a collage.
John: A collage of misery, yes. Now you might think, "Well, boy, isn't that horrible that these teachers went on strike and didn't show up for work." On the surface, you might think that.
Russ: Yeah, I would.
John: But if you think about it and know what else is coming up on this story, it was probably a good thing for the students. 'Cause when these teachers have been working full-time, this is according to the Conservative News Service, these are teachers working full-time now. Only seven percent of Detroit Public School eighth graders are reading at or above their grade level. Now this isn't all of Michigan. This is Detroit. But those teachers work full-time, and the best they can do is to get seven percent of the kids reading at or above their grade level.
Russ: So you're saying they could probably do better.
John: Just think what they would do if these teachers weren't around. How bad can it get?
Russ: Well, that's a great point. This is a good news dumb moment.
John: Yeah, well the dumb moment - yeah, the good news is the teachers didn't show up for work. The bad news is, well, they're coming back the next day, or whatever. But I'm just thinking, boy, if that's best they can do, just think how good it would be if they didn't show up.
Russ: Absolutely. All right. And before we wrap up today's School of Business, it's time for the PKF Texas Entrepreneur's Playbook. And before we start down the path of welcoming Greg Price -
John: Who always shows up.
Russ: Yeah. He's not showing up today.
Russ: No, we recorded this earlier.
John: He called in sick. Did he call in sick? Okay. He's on vacation. Okay.
Russ: Well, no, he's protesting the Michigan thing.
John: Protesting the Michigan - I don't think he is. He's probably popping a few champagne corks.
Russ: No, we recorded this when I participated on it with Rafael Carsalade. It was at the Coffee with the Consuls, where there's so many consul generals in the city of Houston.
John: I know.
Russ: PKF has these events and we sit down with a member of the team from the team from the French Consul.
John: Oh the French.
John: But they raised their -
Russ: So -
John: Gérard Depardieu just fled France of the high tax rates. Did that come up in the conversation?
John: Oh, okay.
Russ: No, it didn't. But still, so I am sitting in for Greg, and I played the piano. So you can hear me. One and a two, an a…
John: Okay. One, and a two, and a …
Russ: And that wraps up today's School of Business. Stayed tuned in for interview with Jean Durdin, the owner of Parkway Chevrolet CNG. This is the BusinessMakers Show, heard on the radio and seen online at thebusinessmakers.com.